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METAL POLISHING INFO
« on: March 30, 2009, 10:06:58 PM »
NO NEED FOR YOU TO TAKE ALL THIS IN, JUST PRINT OUT N PIN TO
YA WORKSHOP WALL FOR REFFRENCE EACH TIME YOUR POLISHING.
took me bloody ages typing this lot out with me 1 finger so some is
uneddited pasted over from other forums, lots more to do as n when
i finds the time....................................



POLISHING COMPOUNDS by courtesy of http://www.moleroda.com their second
site is http://www.polish-it.co.uk moleroda@btinternet.com 01722 712610
they are just outside salisbury. or get from http://www.lea.co.uk who are up
derby way.................. the moleroda.com site is a touch on the slow side
to use so give it time, about 20 seconds to load each page.

CUT is the term used for high metal removal, COLOUR is the term used
when actualy polishing to a high shine.

LEAROKs
with few exceptions, learoks are fine abrasive compositions with no free
grease other than that required to hold the appropriate grain in a suspe -
neded state, or as an aid to metal removal. learoks are available in bar
form of 8" x 2" x 2" for use on hand spindles, hand held straight grinders.

TRIPOLI BARS FOR CUT n COLOUR ON NON FERROUS METALS

2640, BROWN
good cut n colour - greasyer than 2630, good cut on non-ferrous, espec -
ially brass, USE on white n coloured stiched mops.
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2640T, BROWN
good cut n colour - harder than 2640. good buff retention for extra con -
toured shapes. good on non ferrous metals n cut on plastics. USE on
white n coloured stitched [vcs] #1 n #2 calico airflows.
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2468, BROWN
excellent cut n colour. very good on aluminium. very dry. good colour n
clean finish. USE on hard n medium calico loosefolds, white n coloured
stitched mops [os]
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FERROBRITE FUSED ALUMINA BARS FOR HIGH METAL REMOVAL ON
FERROUS METALS.

3050, GREY
aggressive cut on ferrous metal. matt finish. slightly greasy. USE on
dry, impregnated n cord sisals.
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4040, SENIOR, GREY
greasier n coarser than 2464, high cutting propertys, USE on dry n
impregnated sisals
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2464, GREY
good all round performance on ferrous metals. best results on stainless.
USE on dry sisals, white n coloured sitched, hard calico loosefolds.
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2465, GREY
finer than 2464 - more colour. USE on dry/soft sisals, airflows n white
stitched mops.
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BRIGHTLEA CALCINATED ALUMINA BARS FOR HIGH COLOUR

3093, WHITE
medium cut n colour. fills gap between 2464 n 2076. USE on dry sisals,
airflows, white n coloured stiched mops.
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2755, YELLOW
good general purpose - cut n colour on ferrous based metals. USE on,
sisals, tampico, airflows, white n coloured stiched mops.
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5759, WHITEX, WHITE
cut n colour on stainless n aluminium based components, good buff
retention. USE on sisals, white n coloured stiched, hard loosefolds.
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2076, WHITE
cut n very good colouring bar, cleans easily, bright finish on stainless.
USE on stiched mops, hard n soft loosefolds.
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2000D, LIME GREEN................MY PERSONAL BEST allround compound.
cut n high colour bar, one operation on stainless, good bar for all metals,
less greasy than 2076, USE on stiched mops, hard n soft loosefolds.
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SUNBLUE, BLUE
fine calcined alumina for cut n colour, fine scratch finish on stainless,
blue finishing grade. USE on airflows n loosefolds.
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312, WHITE
cut n high colour, clean. fine scratch finish. USE on white stiched n
loosefolds.
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309WP, PINK
finer than sunblue n 312. more colour, but some cut loss. USE on white
stiched n soft loosefolds.
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309BX, WHITE
as with 309WP, fine finish clarity. USE on white stiched n soft loosefolds.
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2445, GREEN
very fine calcined alumina with green chrome added for the black finish
on stainless. USE on B, G n soft loosefolds.
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FF [fine] FINISHING ALUMINA BARS FOR ULTRA HIGH SCRATCH FREE
FINISH ON ALL METALS.

FF5, WHITE
super fine calcined alumina for very fine finish n colour. USE on soft
loosefolds.
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FF9, WHITE
the ultimate finishing bars, ultrafine calcined alumina for extra fine finish
exceptional high colour n depth. USE on swansdown loosefolds, single
raised soft calico on silver.
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FF11, WHITE
as per FF9, extra extra fine finishing bar
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PRO-FIN POLISHING COMPOUNDS these are the small sized compound
bars often found in the polishing kits sold on ebay n shops etc. get from
lea.co.uk
will say if your doing a lot of polishing the full sized 8" x 2" x 2" soap bars
in other parts of this artical are the cheaper option, only buy these if your
doing small amounts with your drill n the mops within the kit. all these
bars are 4" x 3/4" x 1 1/8". micky mouse size.

GBF 2/64, grey 2 bar pack. for first polishing stage on steels, inc st steels
to remove small imperfections or after linishing bar. USE on stitched or
sisal mops
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GBT 2/72 brown 2 bar pack. first polishing stage for brass, copper,
aluminium or plastics. USE with stitched mops on metals, or loosefold
mops on plastic will provide a milder action.
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GBA 2/09P pink 2 bar pack. a fine glossing compound for ultra high
polish n specifically formulated for chrome plated components. USE with
loosefold mops.
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GBA 2/12B blue 2 bar pack. final glossing compound for brass, copper or
aluminium, after first stage polishing with the brown compound. USE
loosefold mops.
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GBW 2/22 buff 2 bar pack. glossing compound for the final polishing of
plastics n wood finishes. USE with stitched or loosefold mops, also good
on metals with loosefolds.
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GBR 2/RSR maroon 2 bar pack. very high glossing compound for
precious metals, gold silver, brass n copper. USE on loosefold mops only.
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GBV/6. six bar pack of one each of the above compounds.
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SPECIAL PURPOSE COMPOUNDS

1205 EMERY, DARK GREY
brushing emery, gives a clear fine polish to steel components, good buff
retention, USE on dry sisals, fiber/tampico wheels.
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MATADOR
fine abrasive compound for scouring effect on plastics, polyesters n
certain woods. good for removing machine marks or where bandsawing
has taken place. not to be used on good surfaces. USE on hard calico
airflow buffs.
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WAX 25
fine n soft abrasive for final finishing on plastics, polyesters, lacquers n
laminates. USE on loosefolds n soft airflows.
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CLASSIC BUFFING COMPOUNDS get from moleroda.com

APPOLO [tripoli] BROWN
very good cut n colour on all non ferrous metals, especialy brass, fine -
lined finish. USE on coloured stiched n white loosefolds - 6G, G, B
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ATLAS [tripoli] BROWN
cut n colour on non ferrous metals, especialy on diecast n mazac based
components. good buff retention n cut qualitys. USE on coloured
stiched or loosefolds,6G, G, B #1 n #2 airflow buffs.
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MIDAS [calcined alumina] YELLOW
good cut n colour compound for ferrous metals including stainless n
exotic steels n alloys. leaves a good, clean finish for inspection purposes
with a fine lined finish for the final colouring operation. USE on
stiched sisals, or white loosefolds - WFC, #1 airflow buffs.
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MARS [fused alumina] GREY
high cut compound for all ferrous metals, following 240 grit abrasive
belts or scurfing mops. USE on treated n untreated sisals, very close
stiched white n coloured, or loosefolds - WFC
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300B BLUE
simular to MARS
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ABRACUT [very coarse fused alumina] GREY
the highest cut compound for all ferrous metals, USE with dry n impreg -
nated sisals to remove machine or linishing lines, treated n untreated
sisals,6G, or WFC loosefolds.
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TITAN [coarse fused alumina] GREY
fast high cutting compound. high level of metal removal with exceptional
surface leveling qualities on mild steel prior to nickl or chrome plating.
can use after 240 grit abrasive belts or scurfing mops. USE on treated n
untreated sisals, cord sisals, treated tampico n grey fiber brushes.
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JUPITER [calcined alumina] WHITE
dry, fine finishing compound for all types of metals, very fast colouring
compound prior to finishing with rouges on exotic n precious metals. USE
on loosefolds - G, sylvex, swansdowns, WDR, WHR, n climax mops.
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LEA SATENE COMPOUNDS are probably off no interest to you lot as they
are in the main used in foundrys n polishing shops concerned with fast
high metal removal of rough castings. will just say they are greaseless
abrasive bar compounds, a range of aluminium oxides n silicon carbides
available in variouse grits, full details can be given in a later post if any
one is interested.
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ALOXITE GRIT like the above LEA SATENEs is probably of little interest
for this artical, as is PLASTIBRADE, both are grits that are glued onto
scurffing mops. the ALOXITE being loose grit applied with a glue, n the
PLASTIBRADE being a glue with the grits already mixed in.
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PRO-FIN LINISHING BARS, get from lea.co.uk

used for preperation of rough surfaces such as castings or steel jobs with
surface rust prior to polishing. can also be used to produce satin or
brushed effect finishes. can also be used on wood for smoothing or the
removal of paint or varnish. it is supplied in sealed polythene tubes, in
120, 180, 240, n 320 grades n feels like a hard rubber. 120 is coarsest n
320 the finest. it consists of carefully graded abrasive, carried in a safe
water-based adhesive to stick it to the mop face in a process called
headding up.

because the product is water based, it is important that the bar is not
allowed to dry out n set. always seal the bars after heading up to stop
evaporation n do not allow to freeze, or store near heat.

your choice of abrasive grade will depend on the roughness of the
surface to be polished, the appearance of the finish required if left as a
satin finish, n the material being worked. as the linishing bar abrasive
cuts very quickly, care should be taken with softer metals such as
aluminium castings to avoid excess metal removal. 240 grade bar will
usually be coarse enough to start with on such jobs unless the
component is deeply pitted or corroded. in this case start coarser using
lighter pressure on the mop n work down through progressivly finer
grades untill the required finish is achived. on harder materials such as
steel, especially if the surface has been pitted with rust, 120 grade bar
used with heavier pressure will produce faster results, followed by finer
grades. full instructions on how to head up the mops are given on the
packaging.

these linishing bars can also be used to remove plated chrome or nickel
from steel prior to repolishing for fresh replated chrome, nickel etc.

LBA120 120 grit
LBA180 180 grit
LBA240 240 grit
LBA320 320 grit
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ROUGE COMPOUNDS get from moleroda.com

REDFIN, 424 gm bar.
soft clean finishing rouge for final polishing of preciouse metals, excellent
colour. USE on G, reflex n swansdown loosefolds.
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SF ROUGE, 270gm bar.
final finish bar for preciouse metals n brass components, good depth of
colour. USE on G, n swansdown loosefolds.
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AA ROUGE, 400gm bar.
dry ultrafine rouge for gold n silver finishing, USE on reflex n swansdown
loosefolds.
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RADIO ROUGE, 300gm bar.
final colouring of non ferrous materials, for extra brilliance. ultrafine
abrasive for finishing precious metals. USE on reflex n swansdown loose
folds.
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CHROME GLOSS
for finishing stainless steel n chrome plate to very high brilliance. USE on
G, n S loosefolds.
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RUBISOL, 100gm bar.
specialist rouge for platinum. good for gold n other precious metals. USE
on swansdown n all soft loosefolds.
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RED ADMIRAL, 120gm bar.
semi dry, superfine, best on silver plate n solid silver products. USE on
G, reflex n swansdown loosefolds.
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RUBY RED, 550gm bar.
very dry, hand rolled, ultrafine, best on precious metals for bloom free,
high gloss, grease free finish, USE on reflex, n swansdown loosefolds.
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DIALUX get from moleroda.com

DIALUX BLEU 150gm bar.
super finishing compound for all metals. especialy chrome alloys.
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DIALUX VERT 150gm bar.
super finishing compound for hard metals. [ chrome, platinum]
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DIALUX ROUGE 150gm bar.
super finishing compound for gold n other precious metals.
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OTHER USEFULL PRODUCTS get from moleroda.com

LUBAR [BOBING GREASE]

LUBAR, 6" x 3" x 3" wrapped bar.
medium hard grease bar lubricant for use with plastibrade, set-up wheels
etc. plus hot metal spinning.
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LUBAR ECONOMY 6" x 3" x 3" wrapped bar.
soft grease bar lubricant for use with linishing belts, sanding discs, n cold
metal spinning.
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AEROSOL BELT LUBRICANT
for use on ferrous metals. linishing belt coolent. helps to keep belts
cleaner n lower grinding temperature, prolonging belt life.
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VIENNA LIME, sold per kg.
use to remove polishing compound residues, coating lime on a soft cloth
n gently wiping polished surface to remove residues, can also be used to
bring extra colour on stainless, sprinkle lime over surface n polish with
swansdown mop.
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PUMICE POWDER, sold per kg.
a specialist powder wich is mixed with water to form a paste for scratch
removal on glass, it is much coarser than cerium oxide n is usually used
with felts.
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CERIUM OXIDE, sold per kg.
a highly refined pure white powder, with no sharp edges, fast acting
scratch removal. for polishing flat glass n crystal. mix with water into a
paste, USE with felts, chamios n basil mops.
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LUMP PUMICE, sold per kg.
for cleaning polishing buffs, mops n wheels of old compounds, dressing
mops n felt bobs, degreasing satene mops of bobing grease.
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MOP DRESSER
this is just a twin handled wire brush for combing mop surfaces prior to
starting to polish, cleaning out old dryed on compounds, dressing of
wheels, can also be used for renovaiting emery bands.
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BUFFING SYNTHETIC MATERIALS get from moleroda.com

polishing synthetic surfaces, unlike metal surfaces, requires much lower
buff peripheral speeds. generally, 5000 feet per minute should be
acceptable. a polishing spindle of 1440 rpm, fitted with 12" diameter
airflow buffs should cause no surface overheating problems.

another important factor is the mop faces must be kept scupulously clean
dry compound or tails of calico will cause marks. if using soft calico
loosefold mops, use a smaller diameter than the airflow normaly used.
a airflow produces a cooler polishing surface than a loosefold mop.

MATADOR
produces a scouring action, good for removal of machining marks or
where bandsawing has taken place. USE on hard calico airflow buffs.
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2640T
good cutting bar on all plastic surfaces, greasy, provides plenty of
cooling lubricant. USE on hard calico airflows for perspex, acrylic n
simular plastics, soft calico airflows on polyester surfaces.
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2470A, BROWN
first cut on plastics, good finish, extra buff retention. USE on white
stiched n airflows
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WAX 25
finishing bar for plastic components, polyesters, lacquers n laminates,
fine n soft abrasives. USE on soft calico airflows for finishing on good
surfaces.
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WAX 16
fine cutting n finishing wax bar. excellent for all plastics. well lubricated
n clean finish. USE on soft calico airflows for final polish. swansdown
airflows give higher gloss, very good on black or clear plastics.
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WAX 6
similar to wax 16, but much drier, good for finishing wood surfaces,
scratch free finish. USE on soft calico airflows.
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AG63
finishing bar, especially for plastic tubes, scratch free finish on very soft
mops, USE on swansdown airflows or loosefolds.
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LIQUID COMPOUNDS get from moleroda.com

8000BX
cutting paste for work on fiberglass surfaces, gives even matt finish.
easily cleaned. USE on lambswool bonnets.
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T35
cutting paste for work on fiberglass surfaces, matt finish, USE on lambs
wool bonnets.
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C54
finishing paste for final finish on fiberglass surfaces, clear gloss finish.
USE on lambswool bonnets, soft calico airflow buffs, swansdown airflow
buffs.
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OTHER LIQUID COMPOUNDS AVAILABLE ON REQUEST.
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INDUSTRIAL LIQUID COMPOUNDS, comes in 25kg drums. hundreds of
grades available. used with air spray systems, intensifier guns, or airless
systems, mops are 36" n upwards, n probably beyond the scope of this
artical for home polishing.
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2009, 08:45:38 AM »
BUFF MATERIALS

BUY FROM..... http://WWW.MOLERODA.COM or http://WWW.LEA.CO.UK

SISAL
harsh material for high cutting applications. USE for rapid stock removal
on ferrous metals, can be treated with impregnations to give alternate
properties.
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COLOURED COTTON
made from mixed coloured cotton material, 1/2" thick sections with spiral
stitching. stiching can be open [widely] spaced, close or very close.
supplied singly or in multiples of these sections with fiber or leather
washers for use with taper spindles. USE for general purpose, with good
cutting action on most non ferrous metals.
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WHITE STITCHED COTTON
made from soft mixed cotton material, 1/2" thick sections with spiral
stitching. stitching can be open [widely] spaced, close or very close.
supplied singly or in multiples of these sections with fiber or leather
washers for use on taper spindles. USE for general purpose, good cutting
action for use on most metals, especialy non ferrous.
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BRONCO QUALITY
heavy cutting mill starched calico material. USE on ferrous n yellow
metals, also used with greaseless products to provide a high leval of
stock removal. from lea.co.uk
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AURELIA/ZETA QUALITY
mediam cutting white calico material. USE for general purpose on brass,
copper, steel, nickel-silver, aluminium, chrome or plastics. from lea.co.uk
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DG QUALITY
medium fine white calico material. medium soft buff. USE for finishing
brass, silver, copper, steel, nickel-silver, aluminium, chrome n plastics.
also used with LEA greaseless products. from lea.co.uk
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DELTA/LG QUALITY
fine white soft calico cotton. USE for very fine finish on brass, silver,
copper, steel, nickel-silver, aluminium, chrome n plastics. from lea.co.uk
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LUXOL/OPTAL QUALITY
made from whole discs of very soft cotton in a variety of thicknesses, the
cloth can be raised or carded on one or both sides for extra softness.
USE for ultra fine finishing on soft metals such as gold, silver, silver plate
or brass. from lea.co.uk
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SISAL TREATMENTS
treatments are blends of chemicals designed to stiffen buffs n mops to
different degrees of stiffness for extra ridgedty or properties......

TYPE YELLOW, very hard, high level of cut, extended buff life. USE on
flatware. from lea.co.uk
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TYPE RED, hard, high level of cut, extended buff life, USE on flatware n
semi contoured components. from lea.co.uk
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TYPE GOLD, medium, high level of cut, extended buff life, with improved
flexibility. USE for reduced buff wear under sever rake action. from lea
.co.uk
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TYPE GREEN, medium soft, medium level of cut, USE for reduced buff
wear on contoured components. from lea.co.uk
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TYPE OIL, a soft tacky to the touch treatment, high flexibility reduces buff
breakdown, USE for improved compound head retention whilst keeping
good buff performance. from lea.co.uk
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CALICO TREATMENTS

TYPE YELLOW, hard, aids the cutting qualities of the calico n can negate
the need to use sisal buffs. USE for flatware. from lea.co.uk
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TYPE GREEN, medium, medium level of cut. USE for improved head build
performance n a reduction of the loss of definition. from lea.co.uk
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TYPE OIL, soft, soft flexible treatment, USE for improved compound head
retention. from lea.co.uk
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SISAL N CALICO TREATMENTS from moleroda.com

TYPE BLUE, hard, use as detailed for hard above, from moleroda.com
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TYPE ORANGE, medium, use as detailed for medium above. from
moleroda.com
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TYPE GREEN, medium soft, use as detailed above. from moleroda.com
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TYPE OY/TACKY, medium, use as detailed above. from moleroda.com
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TYPE BOOKCLOTH, no details, from moleroda.com
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TYPE SST DRY SISALS, no details, from moleroda.com
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LOOSEFOLDS buy from moleroda.com

UNSTITCHED LOOSEFOLD MOPS [FOR TAPERED SPINDLES] can be
bought from 3" x 1 section up to 6 sections wide n up to 18" in dia.

PRODUCT GRADE DEFINITIONS

WFC. very hard, fast cutting polishing mop, good for making rigid
abrasive scurfs.
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6G/S. hard, fast cutting mop where more flexibility is required. makes
a good abrasive scurf with some flexibility.
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B. medium/hard. good cutting mop for non ferrous metals. flexible,
makes a good scurf, more flexible than 6G, especially in narrower sizes.
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G. medium, general purpose finishing mop with finishing compounds.
good for rougeing where little cut is required.
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WDR. soft, a raised one sided lint finishing mop, excellent for silver rouge
finishing. brush free finish if used at correct peripheral speed.
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WHR. soft swansdown. a good all round finishing mop for all metals. a
must use for precious metals.
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REFLEX. soft rougeing mop for finishing gold n especially silver. no rouge
burn into silver.
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BIAS MOPS buy from moleroda.com

BIAS CALICO BUFFS, bias is the term used to describe tucks or pleats
formed within each mop section. can be bought from 8" x 1 section up to
6 sections wide n up to 18" in diameter.

each grade of mop can be supplied in diffrent densities, I,E. hard calico,
medium density, can be manufactured with more tucks of material,
producing a more dence mop face if desired. or similarly, with less tucks
than the medium density, producing a softer flexible mop face. a bias
calico mop should be ordered as follows: eg. diameter x # of sections,
hard bias calico, hard density.

each section is approximately 1/2" wide, except for swansdown sections,
wich are approximately 5/8" wide. can also be supplied single bias sisal
or single calico sections, treated or untreated for centre n end plate
mounting on parallel spindles as well as taper spindles.
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BASIL MOPS

a final finishing mop used with rouge compositions, to leave a lustre
finish, free from compound surface contamination. especially good for
finishing some precious metals, chromium plate, brass n bronze. can be
bought from 4" diameter up to 8" n 1/4" wide up to 1 1/2".
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WOOL MOPS

finishing mops for uneven surfaces, bowls n end on polishing. USE for
final finishing with rouge on jewellery, silver, all large precious metal
objects. greasy compound recomended for best mop adherence.
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STRING BUFFS

as you would guess they are made of non woven string, each strand is
independent of each other around a central core leather washer for taper
spindle mounting. highly flexible. USE on soft alloys n precious metals.
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CALICO CUP BUFFS

are mops gathered into a cup shape n kept in position by a metal band.
USE for the polishing of internal surfaces. or end on surfaces.
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TAMPICO BRUSH

used for producing a brush/lined finish with coarse compounds.
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HORSE HAIR BRUSH

very soft haired brush for final cleaning operations.
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METAL WIRE BRUSHES

vairiouse grades available in brass, steel, stainless steel etc. from ultra
fine gauge upwards to very stiff.
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BRISTLE END BRUSHES

black bristle end pencil brushes n domed cup brushes are used for the
internal finishing of bowls, cups, mugs, head porting etc where a end on
polishing action is required.
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OTHER MATERIAL BRUSHES

soft , medium, hard bristles, plastic bristles of diffrent materials, are used
to polish deep uneven surfaces such as hand carved engraving.
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SMALL DOLLIE MOPS

are small mops generally below 2" in diameter, 1/2" or 1" in width. for
getting into small tight places. can be bought in a range of grades in sisal
or calico.
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FELT PRODUCTS

felts are felted sheeps wool that can be supplied in a large range of
shapes n grades to suit almost every application required. they can be
bought as hand pads, stick mounted for hand finishing, unmounted or
mounted rollers, wheels, nick bob knife edged wheels, bevel edged,
conicals, bull nosed, ring tapers, n can be used on spindles n all other
types of polishing equipment, they can be bought in the soft state or
stiffened to diffrent densitys depending on the job. they can be used to
polish with diamond pastes, polishing compounds, rouge etc.

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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2009, 08:49:36 AM »
anyone inexperienced with polishing or starting to polish somthing theve
not done befor should check back to this thread often, as i plan on buildin
it into a compleat polishing manuel n catalog of all polishing equipment
available to the polishing n finishing industry. i will be expanding the
sections already here as well as doing sections on abrasives, fiber wheels
nylon wheels, linishing belts n equipment, sanding products, how to do it,
sections on electric n air motors, equipment etc etc. in short i will be
covering the whole subject with everything needed.............as well as
how. feel free to add your own experiences n how you got over any
problems ? any recomended products you think are good or polishing
supplie companys.

reffrence this to see what soap, mop etc is best suited for each job you
have whenever..................... also will answer any polishing questions
you may have.

a bit about SAFTY here i think...............

never ever polish inside things with a fixed polishing spindle, bench or
floor mounted polishing spindles as its EXTREAMLY DANGEROUSE
should the mop your using catch n grab the work it can spin it out of your
hands, whip it around the spindle sevral times befor spinning it across the
workshop, or if your very unlucky smack you in the face with a lot of
force. n yes it dam well hurts [lost control of a set of bars].

what you should do for internal surfaces is prepolish the insides with
whatever means you have, be it hand polishing, electric drill, air grinder,
pro polishing tools, or even get a pro polisher to do it for you, n you do
the outsides. especialy on funny n complex exhaust systems, pics below
of 4 stainless bends welded together, you can see the partly done insides
of a subsection im doing now, this together with sevral other subsections
once polished will be welded to the others n then those welds will be
polished out with my hand grinder.

the comments below iv transfered across from the wheel polishing thread
so appologys if any bits or instructions are dupelicated.

wheel polishing is no probs when you have all the pro polishing kit, its
normaly around 5 or 6 hours from painted to fully polished, by hand with
the wet n dry n a drill kit would normaly take a week or so with loadsa
elbow grease n the finnish is never as good as a pro polished wheel, the
drill polishing kits often bought on bay are ok to clean up n shine stuff
thats been pro polished in the past but arnt good enough to bring up any
thing from the raw metal. yes the shine is there but on close inspection
you will still find lots of lines n blemishes, a decent long lasting shine on
ally is dependent on mop speed at its surface, the grade of soap used n
lots of heat to burnish the alloy surface. if you use a cheap drill with the
polish kit your drill will burn out befor youve got a decent finish n no way
will the mops get the metal hot enough for a long lasting deep shine
finnish, when i polish smaller parts with 14" diameter mops on my
spindle i wear two sets of thick welding gloves n still get blisters on my
fingers. stainless is opposit, ya have to keep it coolish or it work hardens

its a long extreamly messy job, for decent polishing its always better to
pay a pro despite the costs cause weve lots of experience n have the
right kit to cope with anything. just too expensive for those just starting
out to buy proper kit for those odd jobs......... those kits are like toytown
junk n designed to part you from your hard earned dosh, they put the
idea into heads that anyone can do it but i disagree, its a highly skilled
artform involving lots of skill n knowhow. hundreds of diffrent soap n
mop grades n diffrent combinations used for diffrent grades of metals.
the drill kits just aint comprehensive enough. but good luck all the same,
next time save up n pay a pro, its so much easyer n ya get a far better
finish

as for finishing of after youve polished n polished to as high a standard
as you can get, use vienna lime powder to remove all soap traces, buy
a kilo from http://www.moleroda.com its cheap, use a new duster with the lime
n gentley wipe over the surfaces. another way is extreamly hot water in
your kitchen sink or bath for bigger parts, put loadsa washing up liquid
in, sink the wheel into the hot water, thick rubber gloves again from
moleroda will prevent burning ya hands, again with a new duster gently
wipe over all surfaces, when all soap traces are gone take the polished
part out n let it drain n dry off, another new duster when dry will gently
remove dryed on water marks, now buy a tin of turtle wax n applie a
coat with another new duster, once done seal this duster in a plastic bag
n use only for putting the wax on, with yet another new duster buff the
dried wax to a high shine, again keep this duster in a bag n only use for
buffing the dry wax, give each wheel 8 or 10 wax treatments befor use
on the road, once ya are rewax once a week, if dirty wash off gently with
soapy water first n let dry beforhand, keeping up the wax job on a
regular basis n theres no reason yer polish finnish wont last for years so
make shure its as best as you can get it befor waxing..............

tell moleroda that i recomended them to you.

any part if polished properly I.E. burnished need only be wiped over with
wax such as mr sheen once or twice per week or when wet to keep its
high shine, it never dulls if you maintain it properly.


print out the mop n soap lists.........
suggest ya print it out fer the workshop wall then ya can make a educated
gess as to wich soap n mop to use fer each job ya need to do, a lot of
polishing skill comes from the experience of the actual polishing n is all
trial n error in a lot of cases. there are no hard n fast rules regaurding
wich soap to use with wich mop type as many of them intermingle. you
can have just 1 mop grade n yet use 50% of the soap grades with it to
produce dozens of diffrent finnishes, multiply the # of mops in that list
together with the # of soap grades n ya will see it adds to thousands of
combinations.

i can give ya a general set of mops n soaps to buy that should set ya up
fer most genral polishing jobs, but not i or any other polisher can give
you a exact mop n soap combination to use as we,d need to try to
polish your parts ourselves to find the best to suit each of your jobs. as
said above its all trial n error + lots of experience, id need to physicly
hold yer parts in me hands to even have a good geuss where to start.

a good start is to buy a untreated open stitch sisal, a open stitch white, a
close stitch white, n a swansdown general purposs G mop, use all with
2000D soap [supposed to be a st st soap, but i love it on allys] one cut n
colour opperation, use on the sisal, then the open white, then the closed
white n the G swansdown. then a bar of FF9 or FF11 on a WHR swansdown
to finnish. use vienna lime with a fresh new duster each time to clear
polishing soap residues, or a can of solvent [very expensive] about 30
fer 2 ltrs.

if you can imagin all those mop n soap combinations then add to it all the
thousands of grades of diffrent metal combinations in existence you will
realise no one can say exactly what to use on a forum. other factors are
the hp of the motor yer using, the mop diameter, the surface to work
speed of the mop n the pressure your holding the work to the mop, add
in all these varients n its a very complex subject, if ever in doubt, just try
on a bit of scrap of the same grade material first. if ya not happy with the
rate of metal removal or the finnish yer getting ya need to change to a
diffrent grade mop, or use a diffrent grade soap on the same mop or a
diffrent one.

EXAMPLE say a high grade aircraft ally has 8% sillicon content n another
grade exactly the same in most respects has 10% sillicon you will find
often they need compleatly diffrent grades of soaps n mops to get the
same std of shine in each. experience comes with the amount you polish
n the diffrent types youve done n untill ya have done a lot you wont be
able to take a good gess where to start with each job, all ya can do is try
n see what effects what.

whilst polishing you will see the grease smear of the soap on the works
surface, each time this appears to clear you need to apply more soap to
the mop face, generaly about once per minet, its the soap that is doing
the cutting or the colouring [polishing] not the mops, the mops are just
diffrent ways of holding the soaps to the works surface, if you continue
to try polishing n not applie the soap as often [A] your not getting any
where n your just wearing the mop away, both costing extra time n
money so applie soaps often, dont worry, too much is far better than too
little. a 8 x 2 x 2" bar should last ya about 8 hours solid polishing. dont
ever use abrasives, scurffs, linnishing or sanding belts on any ally needin
mirror show polishing as grains can imbed into the allys surface then it
takes bloody hours to polish them out.

the best effective way to do fast metal removal, surface leveling or
colouring is to polish in one direction then turn the work 90 degrees n
polish in that direction then change back, [like crosshatching] keep doing
it untill you cant get out any more marks with that mop befor changing
to the next finer grade mop n soap. if the work has directional machining
lines in it, if you polish in the same direction they only get deeper n more
pronounced, always polish across any lines or deep markings.

when you first get delivery of any new mops or soaps, with a marker pen
always mark what grade they are on them, lots of soaps are the same
colour n its important not to get them mixd up, same with some of the
finer mops once used a few times you cant tell by feel or looking wich
grade it is so mark them on both sides. with the fine, very fine n ultra
fine mops, finnishing soaps, rouge,s you need to mark them n keep each
in a plastic bag to avoid cross contamination from airbourn dust particals,
n always use 1 dedicated soap grade with each particular mop grade,
coarser n harsher grade mops n soaps can be intermingled as ya like,
but the finer the finnish the more critical it is to use 1 grade of soap on 1
grade of mop, keep both the soap n the mop in the same bag, you can
have a dozen mops of the same ultra fine grade, but if using a diffrent
grade rouge on each they need to be seperated from each other.

ULTRALAP

a premium quality, ready mixed abrasive compound for finishing n polishing
all types of steels, chrome, soft non - ferrous metals n hard alloys.
supplied in 1 lb tubs..................

ULB400 400grit, soft abrasive for semi-finish on soft steels n non ferrous metals.

ULC100, 100grit, hard silicon carbide for coarse, fast stock removal.

ULC200, 220grit, hard silicon carbide for roughing tools, dies, moulds.

ULC300, 320grit, hard silicon carbide for preparatory finish on tool steels
n hard alloys.

ULC400, 400grit, hard silicon carbide for preparatory finish on tool steels
n hard alloys.

ULC600, 600grit, hard silicon carbide for scratch free, dull finish on all
hard metals.

ULH500, 500grit, hard, sharp aluminium oxide, for semi finish on tool, chrome
n stainless steels.

ULH900, 900grit, hard, sharp aluminium oxide, for fast, high lustre on
tool, chrome n nitrided steels.

ULH3000, 3000grit, hard, sharp aluminium oxide, for high polish precision
parts, less than 1 micron finish.

ULLA, levigated alumina, soft, fine alumina, for super fine, high polish on
precision parts.
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CLOVER GRINDING COMPOUND

recomended for lapping n polishing of hardened steels. made from accurately
graded abrasive grains suspended in a petroleum mix grease carrier. also
good if doing high volume engine valve lapping.

supplied in 1 lb cans.

CCG, 80 grit, silicon carbide, very coarse - fastest metal removal.

CC2A, 400 grit, silicon carbide, fine - fine polishing n lapping.

CC4A, 600 grit, silicon carbide, very fine - fine polishing n lapping.

CC6A, 1000 grit, silicon carbide, extreamly fine - high precision polishing
n lapping.

CC7A, 1200 grit, silicon carbide, ultrafine - high precision polishing n
lapping.
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DIAMOND COMPOUNDS

in 5gm, 10gm, or 20 gm SYRINGES.

available in 2 concentrations, MEDIUM: low cost, high quality compound.
oil n water miscible.
HIGH, highly graded diamond giving a more even surface finish. oil n
water miscible.
larger quantities available on request.

micron size..........colour
[1/10].................grey.
[1/4]...................grey.
1........................blue.
2........................pink.
3........................green.
6........................yellow.
10......................red.
16......................brown.
25......................mahogany.
45......................purple.
60......................orange.
90......................white.

5gm, or 10gm DIP-POTS, same qualitys as syringe diamond compounds
above but supplied in handy to use format. apply directly to stick, bob etc
by dipping into diamond paste. secure cap when not in use. grades the
same as above list.
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PUMP SPRAY DIAMOND COMPOUND,

100gm pump dispenser, micron sizes available. 1/10, 1/4, 1/2, 1, 3, 6, 10,
16, 25, 45.
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SWISS MOLERODA ABRASIVE PASTES.

a fraction of the costs of other compounds, very concentrated, lasts longer
on the lap. accurate cutting power, fast stock removal, no scratching during
high speed polishing. the finest grade gives a mirror finish of 0.01 microns.
generally self-lubricating, adheres well. can be used straight from the tube,
no partical deposit or staining. available in 5gm or 40gm tubes.

grade 0, 60 to 90 microns, 150 mesh, for initial fast stock removal on all
steels, chromes. glass, perspex etc.

grade 2, 25 to 60 microns, 325 mesh, approx finish 3-5 microns, for steels,
chromes, glass, perspex etc, can replace 400 - 600 paper for metallographic
preparations, etc.

grade 4, 12 to 28 microns, 600 mesh, approx finish 3-4 microns, for pre
polishing all steels, cast iron, chrome, glass, ceramics, etc. fast lapping to
a precision finish.

grade 6, 8 to 20 microns, 1200 mesh, approx finish 2-3 microns, for pre
polishing all steels, cast iron, chrome, glass, ceramics, etc. fast lapping to
a precision finish.

grade 8, 6 to 10 microns, 1800 mesh, approx finish 1-2 microns, high precision
finish to normal industrial standards, requires prepolished surface. for
highest finish use hardwood, felt or copper laps at high speed.

grade 10, 4 to 8 microns, 3000 mesh, approx finish 0.75 mic.CLA. for high
precision finish to normal industrial standards. requires prepolished surface,
for highest finish use hardwood, felt or copper laps at high speeds.

grade 12, 1 to 5 microns, 8000 mesh, approx finish 0.25 mic.CLA. for high
precision finish to normal industrial standards, requires prepolished surface.
for highest finish use hardwood, felt or copper laps at high speeds.

grade 14, 0 to 2 microns, 14000 mesh, approx finish 0.20 mic.CLA. for
super finish on all hard metals. clear finish on all non ferrous metals.

grade 16, 0 to 1/2 microns, 0.01 mic.CLA. the ultimate super finish on all
hard metals, clear finish on all non ferrous metals.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2009, 09:02:37 AM by twizzle »

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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2009, 09:27:13 AM »
more yet to do when i find the time, as you can now see its not a
simple or cheap job if pro polishing, costs thousands to be fully
geared up n also being about the dirtyest job ever now you know
why pro polishers charge so much................

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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2009, 08:27:28 PM »
Hmm very good but way to much info for mr Joe Bloggs

15 years of polishing with a bench mounted unit aint been harpooned yet lol

i just use brown - blue and i can get a very pleasing finish

yep no doubt there's lots of ways to skin a cat but the only thing in common with both the diy guy and the masked pro is BLaCK Snot

Nice one bro anyway keep up the thread good read

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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2009, 08:38:07 PM »
just covering all bases as it were cause ok your happy with what
youve got but others wont be so by listing the bulk of whats commonly
available other readers can get more of a idea on whats best or to
buy for their particular needs.

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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2010, 02:56:35 PM »
"your only supposed to blow the bloody door\'s off "

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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2010, 03:31:10 PM »
Very useful all that.
I've copied and pasted it to a new word doc.
Thanks SFC and especially Twizzle for spending the time and effort to write it all up.
Very much appreciated.
Cheers
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2010, 04:04:09 PM »
wow - a subject I have often tried to undertsand but believe its best to be TAUGHT by an expect and done by them too if there willing to for the right price (usually a few cans of their favourite Beer - or bottles of Newcie). One thing you missed is sometimes parts are so pitted, especially engine cases the exercise can to pointless cos the damage so bad, by the time you get down to work with an even surface its easier to find a good one to start with - same goes with fork stantions with loads of deep scratches and indents - never sussed a was of making them look as new again best to make sure the surfuse is "polishable friendly and in reasonable condition".

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2010, 04:49:34 PM »
different types of alloys polish differently especially  engine casing's, ive never got one to showbike standards but still better than paint, everything else seems to come out good for me, you never know whats under the paint until you start and its much much cheaper to give it a go yourself :nodyes:
"your only supposed to blow the bloody door\'s off "