Is it asking too much

[masterofinsanity]

I try not to post at all now, simply because I'm scared I'll get me head bitten off.

Thats not how people should feel, if thats how members feel then i may as well close the site now!
thanks for the feedback!

[masterofinsanity]

One more thing id like to remind others of is the exclamation mark at the top right corner of users posts. If u really feel the post is inappropriate then i would encourage users to press it rather than reporting it publicly. This keeps the nasty stuff out of public view and allows us to deal with it in an appropriate and considered way. Additionally we have a proper record of who the repeat offenders are and keep tabs.

nice one robB

[MARKZXR]

This thread makes the baby jesus cry.

Not because of people asking plain and basic questions again and again, but in fact, because of the way senior members on here seem to have developed a habit of jumping down the throats of anyone they deem to be asking anything foolish or simple.

If you don't know anything about bikes but want to learn, and don't understand enough to realise that the idea you've had is something foolish; and don't ask someone who will tell you 'f**k no, don't do that', you may go ahead and do that something foolish - or even something downright dangerous. And the response here seems to be simple condescension and put downs. I don't recall it being like that when I joined and found it to be an excellent forum full of helpful people and excellent responses to my questions when I joined, a lot of which were considerably foolish and stupid, compared to what I know now.

On that point I'm not talking specifics regarding the latest spammer, I'm simply making an observation on the attitude on this forum.

Is it just me that's noticing there's this definitely arrogant accent to this forum of late?

You seem to forget that a minority of members on this forum were born with an encyclopeadic knowledge of all things ZXR, is it any wonder that they get frustrated when someone asks a question?, please try to show a little more understanding, after all their progidic genius amounts to what could be regarded as an affliction!

It's goddamn off putting and is making me for one uncomfortable as a returning member who actually already knows a lot of the nametags on here, so how can it possibly feel better for someone joining the forum to see this crap?
And if you get tired of answering the same questions over and over again, stop bloody answering them, don't sit and knock on about people who ask questions being morons.

Even if there is an element of resentment to newbies asking foolish or stupid questions, it's embarrassing to come on here and find threads like this one, making the forum look damned unprofessional, uncaring and condescending, with no element of wanting to help people or encourage forum growth and respectability.

Jesus wept guys, keep it in the Staff Room.

F*ck me.

You seem to forget that some of the forum members were born with an encyclopaedic knowledge of all things ZXR, so when someone asks a question it is bound to frustrate them ("how do you tighten a chain!!!, why i knew how to do that as a feotus :smt013 !!!!), try to show a little sympathy for their prodigic genius could be regarded by some as an affliction!

[AndyJak]

I try not to post at all now, simply because I'm scared I'll get me head bitten off..

Hi all, I'm new here (but not new to bikes or zxr400's) and I am a bit mystified at the above quote and some of the others on here? This is an internet forum, people ask questions, people get fed up, people get pee'd off, people get slagged off. So what? The day I am scared to ask a question for fear of some cyber small penis idiot jumping on me is the day I ride my bike off a cliff. For god's sake it's a forum. The small penis idiots (you know who you are) are insignificant and don't matter. Forums like these are for getting info and sharing info on our bikes and our hobbies. Come on people! Get a grip. No one is actually going to bite you and no one is going to harm you. So don't be afraid of anything. There are far worse things in life than the small penis idiots that love to upset members on forums.

I say grab these forums for all you can. They keep our pride and joy's on the road and like minded folks get to know each other at least via the internet.

We can't afford to let anyone spoil it for us so just don't let them. If you feel intimidated, report the post. If you feel you can't post something because you are scared of what someone might say, well don't worry, there is always a decent member willing to help (or should be). And remember this, if one of the small penis brigade jump on you, just laugh and think about their predicament and feel sorry for them. That's what I do. Pity we don't have a smiley of a small flacid penis to show when someone jumps on you.

[masterofinsanity]

I try not to post at all now, simply because I'm scared I'll get me head bitten off..

Hi all, I'm new here (but not new to bikes or zxr400's) and I am a bit mystified at the above quote and some of the others on here? This is an internet forum, people ask questions, people get fed up, people get pee'd off, people get slagged off. So what? The day I am scared to ask a question for fear of some cyber small penis idiot jumping on me is the day I ride my bike off a cliff. For god's sake it's a forum. The small penis idiots (you know who you are) are insignificant and don't matter. Forums like these are for getting info and sharing info on our bikes and our hobbies. Come on people! Get a grip. No one is actually going to bite you and no one is going to harm you. So don't be afraid of anything. There are far worse things in life than the small penis idiots that love to upset members on forums.

I say grab these forums for all you can. They keep our pride and joy's on the road and like minded folks get to know each other at least via the internet.

We can't afford to let anyone spoil it for us so just don't let them. If you feel intimidated, report the post. If you feel you can't post something because you are scared of what someone might say, well don't worry, there is always a decent member willing to help (or should be). And remember this, if one of the small penis brigade jump on you, just laugh and think about their predicament and feel sorry for them. That's what I do. Pity we don't have a smiley of a small flacid penis to show when someone jumps on you.

well said!!

[Max4music]

Mannnnn I am so tired tonight. I dont know about anyone else but but I'm working my balls of to keep a wage coming in and generally try to do the right thing in life. Ive read the thread and see all different points of view, but its no less a shame that fractures have appeared in such a great forum. I hold my hand up as being guilty on all counts. Ive no doubt asked stuoid questions, but the reason I ask a question is because i dont know the answer and havnt been able to find it. At the same time, having raced for 3 years and now build my own engines and bikes, I probably have a much better knowledge of ZXR400's than most. But, I still feel quite a novice as my mechanical training goes as far as having a meccano kit as a kid, so only answer a question if I'm pretty certain of the answer.

In my years on here, I have learned more about motorcycles, racing and beyond than I could possibly express. It has been the one salvation that has in one way or another always come up with the answer when Ive fallen to my knees in tears in my shed with sheer exhaustion and frustration after working a long day with the thought Ive finally solving 'that' problem keeping me going and firing me up to get home, have tea and work to midnight to try and solve it (but usually fail)

To all that have helped, thank you, to all (just a few) Ive helped, you are welcome. Most of all thank you Baz, Cargo and all the admins and contributers for your dedication to the site. Perhaps I now know more no than I thought I did, and as such i'll try to squeeze in a little more time to help others when i come on here after work (although please balance my advice against your own common sense). We come into the world dependent on others, we leave dependent on others, and as far as I'm concerned a little time spent helping someone learn a little more is part of what makes this website so great and long may it continue. You can ask me any stupid question you like, cos I was stupid once

Now I gotta go

[fatboy]

Not every person is as bright as others , those who are should be grateful for there gift . This is a awesome site well done . I have Raced and built my bikes for 8yrs and the help from members and topics has been fantastic . And i am no youngster at 55yrs . And a lot of mechanical experience but still need help, DO NOT CLOSE this site it is worth its weight in gold . Once again well done

[AndyJak]

This is a awesome site well done . And i am no youngster at 55yrs . And a lot of mechanical experience but still need help, DO NOT CLOSE this site it is worth its weight in gold . Once again well done

Here, here. Well said. I too am no spring chicken and not far off the age quoted above. For us the internet and forums like this have been a godsend. Heck, in the old days you could only dream of having so much information at your fingertips and bloody free at that thanks to the hard working site owners, administrators and moderators. So I too call for the site to remain open at all costs. If the small penis brigade don't like it, well they can foxtrot oscar and go buy a Honda.

[dayside69]

I am zxr400 owner the last 6 years. Every time i wanted to service my bike i took a look at this site. When some problems occured i save my bike by reading answers to problems like mines( electrics!!!-carbs-suspensions).
Like me i supose there are many out there how have been helped from this place. Don't close , keep it alive .

[damienbish]

I may not post that much and this is due mainly to not considering myself knowledgable enough to advise people on what to do with their bikes but I do frequently refer to this site and appreciate the wealth of knowledge that is available. I'm a member of many forums and am astounded sometimes by how rude some people are towards others particualry if they asked a silly question. Its simple if you think its silly or ridiculous dont answer it no ones making you, all you do by being arrogant, obnoxious and demeaning is make the site look bad and stop new members joining. I can see why one of the posters above says hes doesnt want to post for fear of getting his head bitten off and I dont blame him. Also just because you know alot about the zxr400 doesnt make you any better or intelligent than someone else. I am members of programming and coding forums and often find myself repeating the same thing over again but I dont belittle people just because I know more about it. I have also found that there are times when people have posted difficult problems and questions and the same 'know it all' members are no where to be seen but are quick to tell someone hes an idiotwhen it is something they know about. All in all I hope the site doesnt close it would be a real shame, but theres no point having a forum thats just got a constant moody vibe.
Just my $0.02

[666damned]

well.....this has woken a few up..........agree with some opinions,but also disagreee with some........a forum is only as good as the people who frequent it....i wish i had more time to 'post'....but i have too many hobbies on the 'go'...been into bikes for longer than i can remeber (or admit my age... ) ...i have been self taught from day one....none of this 'internet' m'larkey around when i first got my kh250 and lc's......for me a good forum is now invaluable...especially if your not familiar with the model of bike you have in your posession...and if your close by to other members is excellent for new friendships to be born.......i've seen some posts that i describe as ice breakers for the nooob's...seeking help and introducing themselves to the community..some really stupid questions and some really usefull/helpfull.....sometimes people ask what might come across as dumb(i know cause i've asked it)..eg: where to get parts from?...simple answer : a Kwak dealer.....possible other answer's...other countries/other ditributor's eg:Wemoto.... i am on probably too many forums...some more than others......but all of them have a turnover of members...which can upset the balance slightly along the way...a good forum can get through its bad patches.......shite forums/clubs disappear....at the end of the day we've all got a vested interest in bikes....and especially the little zxr400......if i feel i can genuinely help someone out,i'm there with as much info as i can muster,have even travelled to help someone with issues.....

ps..a sense of humour can be lost in the written word...

[beermaker]

Most of what I think has already been said so in the intrests of brevity i'll not repeat myself. I'm one of the "fortunate ones" I guess - been around bikes and engines of all kinds all my life, nearly everyone in my family has had bikes and a lot of them raced too. I learnt to strip and rebuild engines when I was 6, I have a degree in mechanical engineering and i've worked as a new model engineer at Nissan. Having said that, I still don't know all the answers and I still need to ask questions. No one person is an expert on every single aspect of any bike no matter what they're own opinion of themselves. If that were the case i'm fairly sure that the pit lane garages would be much quieter than they are! I support the opinion that its good ettiquette to firstly introduce yourself, to try to be a reasonably regular contributor and to try to help yourself first by checking the manual, reading the FAQ and the workshop section and by searching. That said, the manual isn't the easiest thing to understand for those not mechanically minded, and people have already stated the difficulties in searching. If someone feels the need to ask a question, no matter what their motive or how silly it might seem, we should either answer it in good faith and good humour, otherwise simply don't say anything at all. In the same way that i'll stop to see if a biker is OK when its obvious they've conked out, we should all look out for each other as fellow riders rather than wasting time with squabbling and infighting which, to be honest, makes us all look a little foolish and immature. Nothing wrong with a good rant every now and then but when it gets unpleasant then its gone too far and we should be ashamed.

[bikemike]

It's a forum, you will always get a few of these-


Tbh, this one isn't too bad. I've been on less clicky forums (Kr1-s) and some a lot worse (Nsr world).
I certainly don't think the mods should be considering closing it down, compared to some sites the argument above is just a bit of-


Keep up the good work masterofinsanity

[skullie]

keep up the good work Masterofinsanity !!!!
Don't close it down there are loads like me who try to find out ourselves the information we need but when we cant find it we turn to the people we think can help !!!!

l think the forum is a great place for information on every aspect of the ZXR even though l don't own one
A BIG thank you for all the information and the advice i was given on my own little problems with my little zx400g import some of the information i was given has helped me out no end esp as l have been down the ebay/dealer/secondhand dealer route for parts

THANK YOU ALL ONCE AGAIN