ahh im not convinced by em a track bike is built for speen handeling etc i looked at a coppers pan when i was in wales the other week (devils creek or somet like that) an the speedo only went up to 150 which is still fast but lets pit that against a busa engine size similar but nothing else the same is it. if some chunk thought ill give it ago on me pan euro the busa would just ahhhhh never mind. but on another note heres why coppers use them cos they are comfortable i.e your on it all day so u need comfort im guessin they aint bad on pepsi either plus they got lots of room for bits an bobs in the back. in reality its the ultimate touring bike or responce bike for the police.
But i didnt pass my test to have fancy traction controll an comfy seats i like the thrill of the ride, the mrs can wait till later after she has cooked the tea (good job she will never read this or i would have a pan euro handin out my butt)
Remember speed kills, so does smoking, drinking, drugs, fast food and many more good things
Oh, damn you should have said it was all about top speed. shucks, in that case i'll take a turbo charged ZZR1400 with a dash of nitrous thx. Busa's are fine for straight lines and hell the zxr 400 could just about keep up with a pan on a straight road. theres more to thrills on a bike than how fast the engine can propel an idiot.
I find it funny that you think tourers are not designed to handle at speed, and i'm not trying to get you to buy one, simply trying to abolish the view that they only go in slow or slower and that you cant have fun on one. How many times have you travelled at over 150 on a bike, on the road? for me maybe 8 or 9 times in my life. Ahh you'll change your opinion of traction control the first time you find you can give a 1300cc machine a handful of throttle on a corner apex, on the road and discover your rear tyre is still stuck to it. trust me, thats a thrill.
The trouble with having an open mind, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
I can honestly say that most people I know who ride sportsbikes can't lean the fuckers over that far at any speed!
If you ignore the gay hard paniers and look at the angles of lean that the bike is doing that's pretty damn impressive!
I'm one of these people who HATES linked brakes and HATES traction control! It's taking the skill away from a rider, and one with enough skill and feel can outperform all this technological namby-pamby safety toad!!!
But somewhere in the back of my mind I know that they are better and safer.
If your competent then yeah linked brakes and traction control are probably not needed. Unfortunately most people dont possess such skills and do need driver aids such as these.
Have you seen the vid of the japanese coppers on the old style vfr400s? I think they took the fairings off them. Doing a similar thing to the americans in that video.
Na ill stick to the sports bikes not sayin traction controll is a bad thing ill have it on a sports bike if it comes free an i can turn it off when i fancy it but i wouldnt buy a pan for it. defo not for the convert as for that vid~!! ok fine but try an pull those tight turns in a real chase doin more than 20mph. plus im sure u have heard of the police having R1s as well so they have something over the pans all be it not comfort im sure.
Remember speed kills, so does smoking, drinking, drugs, fast food and many more good things
superman wrote:plus im sure u have heard of the police having R1s as well so they have something over the pans all be it not comfort im sure.
i know there's a couple of forces with litre sportsbikes. think they're are pretty much a PR exercise to engage with the (mostly sports bike riding) public rather than being able to do anything that they couldn't do on a Pan.
If they really needed the extra speed of the sports bike then they are getting in to silly territory and would probably back off and call for the helicopter.
sure I read of one force having a V-Rod painted up in police colours, maybe you reckon they handle better than a pan too?
In the garage:
Kawasaki ZXR400 L3 - shiny
Suzuki DR800 - bouncy
1978 Suzuki GS400 - PROJECT RETRO RACER!
Kawasaki GPz500S - for sale soon
Honda CG125 BR-J - in bits
would be interesting if you clarified what you mean when you say handling in more detail and then i can tell you why your wrong in more detail.
Interestingly enough i was at olivers mount races yesterday and there was an ER6 in the mini twins&400's catagory, that outhandled the zxr4's, the vfr4's and the rs250's and the er6 is a commuter. by your reasoning the sportsbikes should have outhandled it due to the fact it's essentially a tourer without fairings.
The trouble with having an open mind, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
Xphyral wrote:would be interesting if you clarified what you mean when you say handling in more detail and then i can tell you why your wrong in more detail.
rotfl
In the garage:
Kawasaki ZXR400 L3 - shiny
Suzuki DR800 - bouncy
1978 Suzuki GS400 - PROJECT RETRO RACER!
Kawasaki GPz500S - for sale soon
Honda CG125 BR-J - in bits
I dont know where you come up with this, ok ok lets see one of those er6s win the moto GP(yea i know different engine size but that dont count for you) then what ill do is flog my car buy a goldwing an join you on one of your fantacy ghost rides where the goldwing outperforms everything.
what would you rether have an er6 or an r6 or gsxr6 or CBR6rr???????
Remember speed kills, so does smoking, drinking, drugs, fast food and many more good things
Thing is you just cant simply compare some bikes. i.e. an er6 and a motoGP bike, they are completely different machines.
as for an er6, cbr6, r6 etc... what do you want to use the bike for??? For commuting the er6 is probably a far better choice, where the others would struggle with limited steering lock, comfort, storage etc...
As for handling, thats a grey area because handling at the end of the day is a personal preference. An er6 could possibly go faster than a ZXR400 because the rider has it set up properly to his liking giving him more confidence to go faster. Whos to say that if the same rider had the 400 set-up to his liking that the ZXR400 wouldnt go faster than the er6?