smoking ban!

[superman]

I dont know i werent to old when i went i remember it cos senna croaked the next day but i think he was one of the best drivers the sport has seen.

I KNOW £4.80 holy shabang is it that price cos your defo gona get laid? i dread to think how much the bottles of beer are then

[rene]

4.80 is you've got a better chance than sitting at home. Northampton was voted THE worst night out in the hole of england

i agree with it completly, what a toad hole

[cargo]

£4.80 FOR A PINT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

In my local a pint is £2.10 and it has only just gone up to that it was £2

BTW Guinness is THE beer to be drinking. Unfortunatly it is impossible to get a decent pint of Guinness anywhere east of the Isle of Man. English pubs and landlords have no idea how to pour a pint of Guinness

We've had the smoking ban since the end of April and it's brilliant
On the very first day/night I was in work and the whole place just smelt different it was amazing
There was a hint of white spirits and disenfectant floor cleaner none of which I even notice now you just get used to it. But it must have been there hidden by the fog of smoke.
I can take my kids out to our local and have a pint and a meal and it's smoke free. I reckon most places have noticed little change in trade.

One thing I have noticed is that there are lots of people smoking outside as they walk. All the smokers seem to come out of a pub/shop light up and walk to the next pub/shop.

But the mess they leave on the ground outside pubs is disgusting. I don't think that is just a smokers problem it's a dipsh1t thick stupid Northern Irish thing

[Xphyral]

You cant say its been proven that your a better driver after a spliff an post a pro canabis site for the evidence. the fact is thats BULL you dont drive better after a sclif cos it slows your reactions this makes you a liability to everyone else. i used to smoke weed loads until i realised the buzz sucked.

Sure i can, pro cannabis site or not there were very good references at the bottom of that article. i dont agree with driving stoned, drunk, tired or intoxicated in any form.

As for mixing weed with anything and trying to sell it someone.... yeah.. ok. Anyone who cant tell horse toad from bud deserves to die a horrible cancerous death.

[superman]

You dont know what they do with it..... if i buy i black bag of weed fresh from the field i then take some out fill it with somethin else an cell it for a tiny bit more than i bought it. then i add some other stuff the the bit i kept back an cell that on. then the ppl i sold that to wana make money to so that add there toad.... an so on.
as for the good references thats cob an all its a drug an any drug you abuse does your body damage, hence the governments advert on the stuff, if it werent so bad for you then they would legalise it cos they would make more money from the tax. i frown on people who smoke the stuff out an about thinkin there someone stinkin the place out. it dont even smell nice.

[Xphyral]

You dont know what they do with it..... if i buy i black bag of weed fresh from the field i then take some out fill it with somethin else an cell it for a tiny bit more than i bought it. then i add some other stuff the the bit i kept back an cell that on. then the ppl i sold that to wana make money to so that add there toad.... an so on.
as for the good references thats cob an all its a drug an any drug you abuse does your body damage, hence the governments advert on the stuff, if it werent so bad for you then they would legalise it cos they would make more money from the tax. i frown on people who smoke the stuff out an about thinkin there someone stinkin the place out. it dont even smell nice.

i dont know what people do with it? i've grown it, sold it, bought it, smoked it and lived with it since i was in school. i told you before and i'll tell you again, you cant mix anything with weed and expect pot smokers not to notice. it's hardly economical to spend your time trying glue peices of toad to a stick. You sound like your whole experiences with the drug world are at best 5th hand rumour and your grasp of making money from it came from a guy ritchie movie.

Do you even know what those references were for? because it certainly sounds like you didnt read em much the same as you keep missing points made here and then start arguing a different topic, i dont think we've even touched on what does the body harm, so thats irrelevant in regards to the initial point which was disagreeing with the statement that more people smoke pot and then drive. much the same as legalisation is a completely different discussion.

[Jamz]

Case in point:

Lots of groups of people will jump in the car with their mates, f*** off down a farm track, or the dark corner of Tesco's car park, and have a few spliffs, before driving home for bacon and Weetabix pie.

Many times I've been with them, and the driver is too cabbaged to drive back without 'a rest'.

That doesn't happen with alcohol - unless you class going for a quick pint in the pub... but then I'll point again to one single drag on a joint being enough to have a person spewing and passing out.

[superman]

i dont know what people do with it? i've grown it, sold it, bought it, smoked it and lived with it since i was in school. i told you before and i'll tell you again, you cant mix anything with weed and expect pot smokers not to notice.

HAHAHA.......
you aint the only one who knows about drugs so you might have grown afew minuscule plants in you bedroom with your reptile heating mat an sold a sneaky 8 ball at school and maybe bought an 0z and as for the lived with it who dont this day an age!!!! on the grand scale of mixing it were talkin carts of the stuff thats mixed not your next door neighbour who flogs a couple of ounces a week. hence why some ppl sell extreme shite and some sell good (depends where they are in the chain).. another example is white widow so thats weed cut with coke (if you can cut it with coke hourse poo would be no problem its like dried grass) now how many times has that coke been cut before and what with has it been cut with say gluecose but these people who cut it wouldnt give two tits if they cut it with rat poison an sold it you anyway.... like jamz has wrote thats smack on which was the point in the first place its worse to drive on spliff cos you said it was proven that you drive better after a spliff. or somet near that.
oh an guy richie is ledge BTW

Do you even know what those references were for?

Yea i do know what they were for a pro canabis site i didnt bother to read the site cos its a bunch of ppl thinkin it will be cool to legalise it which is a wrong move plus anyone who thinks you could possibly be a better driver after a spliff need testin cos the drug slows reaction time. this makes you a pants driver.

[Xphyral]

another example is white widow so thats weed cut with coke

how do you cut this:


with this:


or this:

Yea i do know what they were for a pro canabis site i didnt bother to read the site cos its a bunch of ppl thinkin it will be cool to legalise it which is a wrong move plus anyone who thinks you could possibly be a better driver after a spliff need testin cos the drug slows reaction time. this makes you a pants driver.

Media stories on the UK driving study:
UK Times: Cannabis May Make You A Safer Driver http://www.mapinc.org/newscc/v00/n1161/a02.html
Ottawa Citizen: Researchers Say Pot Makes Drivers Safer http://www.mapinc.org/newscc/v00/n1209/a07.html

Media stories on the UK drugged driving roadside test:
Reuters: British Police Plan New Drug Tests For Drivers http://www.mapinc.org/newscc/v00/n1105/a12.html
Irish Independent: Drug Test Drivers To Walk The Line http://www.mapinc.org/newscc/v00/n1108/a04.html

1983 National Highway Transportation Safety Administration study: Stein, AC et al., A Simulator Study of the Combined Effects of Alcohol and Marijuana on Driving Behavior-Phase II, Washington DC: Department of Transportation (1983)

1992 National Highway Transportation Safety Administration study: The Incidence and Role of Drugs in Fatally Injured Drivers, by K.W. Terhune, et al. of the Calspan Corp. Accident Research Group in Buffalo, NY (Report # DOT-HS-808-065) http://www.drugsense.org/tfy/nhtsa1.htm

1993 National Highway Transportation Safety Administration study: Marijuana and actual Driving Performance, By Hindrik WJ Robbe and James F O'Hanlon. Institute for Human Psychopharmacology, University of Limburg http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hem ... jdrive.htm

1998 University of Adelaide and Transport South Australia study: http://www.netaxs.com/~sparky/policy/highway.htm

1999 University of Toronto Study: http://newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin/19990329a.asp

For a better way to test people for impairment, read this: http://www.pdxnorml.org/performa.html

For a 1986 Australian study comparing alcohol and marijuana, go here: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/mjdriv1.htm

For a UK Department of Transport report on Cannabis and Driving: http://www.dft.gov.uk/roads/roadsafety/ ... oad/3b.htm

Another good reference for marijuana and driving: http://www.mapinc.org/pdxnorml/Exposing_12_1095.html

these are references, read before forming an opinion based on whatever you found hiding up your butt.

Case in point:

Lots of groups of people will jump in the car with their mates, f*** off down a farm track, or the dark corner of Tesco's car park, and have a few spliffs, before driving home for bacon and Weetabix pie.

Many times I've been with them, and the driver is too cabbaged to drive back without 'a rest'.

That doesn't happen with alcohol - unless you class going for a quick pint in the pub... but then I'll point again to one single drag on a joint being enough to have a person spewing and passing out.

Whats more prevalent in society, cannabis or alcohol? the idiot driving stoned is also just as likely to do the same thing after a couple of beers too. someone who is affected by pot that badly after one joint is also unlikely to then jump in a car and drive.

Once again, a person is generally more aware that they are impaired while stoned than after a few beers where despite what your body tells you you are actually judgement impaired. whether someome then decides to drive or not is down to their own personal levels of judging consequences isnt it, the drugs(alcohol and cannabis) are hardly at fault in themselves.

[Jamz]

Like I said - I'm not against ganja.

I just know for a fact that it's much more unpredictable than alcohol, and a smaller amount can have a much greater adverse effect.

How many pot smokers are fussy enough to only ever smoke, say, Shiva?

Most don't give a damn if it's even weed or resin!

And even if they do, can anyone know that the THC content is a constant even within the same variety grown from the same seeds?

Medical studies use a medical control variety of canabis.

Drugs and vee-hic-cals are bad, m'kay?

[superman]

Ok if you can cut coke into the equasion then you can mix abit of toad in, obviously the toad is more grassy and its mixed in with massive amounts of the stuff, you could never tell.

ill be honest an say i didnt go into to much detail with the refs you put forward cos i know that you dont drive better on cannabis hence i took a little time to google it first page i found

Q: How does marijuana affect driving?
A: Marijuana has serious harmful effects on the skills required to drive safely: alertness, concentration, coordination, and reaction time. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and sounds on the road.


Marijuana may play a role in car accidents. In one study conducted in Memphis, TN, researchers found that, of 150 reckless drivers who were tested for drugs at the arrest scene, 33 percent tested positive for marijuana, and 12 percent tested positive for both marijuana and cocaine (1). Data have also shown that while smoking marijuana, people show the same lack of coordination on standard "drunk driver" tests as do people who have had too much to drink (8).

and the link is http://www.nida.nih.gov/MarijBroch/Mari ... .html#what its easy to follow an it tell it how it is. i could go out an drink about 10 pints an wana throw in but 1 spliff can have the same if not worse effect on me. Oh its more likely your out at a mates an your drivin so you have a spliff to be social then drive home rather than drive to the pub with the thought of drinkin 6 or 7 pints an driving back.

these are references, read before forming an opinion based on whatever you found hiding up your butt.

[tng21]

now im sitting on the fence on this one as im a smoker myself but...........

I havent read the whole thread from when i posted in it last as you all seem to rite so damn much and i just cant be bothered lol but......

someone said it makes you better at driving? Although i disagree with that statement, you might forgive him because when youve had one and you drive, you seem to be more aware of everything around you, you take more notice of whats about, of what other drivers might do, padestrians etc etc

If this is the reason why he might of said that then i COULD see your point. In reality though it isnt. the only reason you might seem more aware is the fact that you'r actually shitting yourself something might happen. Sometimes my reactions MIGHT of been a little quicker, but like i just said, its coz i was shittin myself i might cause an accident so you tend to jump on the brakes a little harder etc

Now i can smoke joint after joint after joint all night long without getting to the point where i feel smashed, hell i can go through a half Oz of good weed in a few hours and still feel fine, but id never drive on it. Makes you swerve, your not as smooth as you think you are, get paranoid twice as quickly, all these things really make it dangerous. I dont feel as bad on weed as i would if i was drinking but then i hardly drink, 3 pints of stella and im having to do detours on the way home coz i dont know where im going lol, but if your the other way around and you drink, but dont smoke, a joint will wipe you out so quickly, ten times as quick as 1 pint would.

SO even though im a smoker, i would say its pretty dangerous to drive while under the influence.

[Xphyral]

i've already said i dont agree with driving intoxicated, and i think i missed out saying previously that you drive better stoned than you drive pissed, rather than when you drive sober.

the point i keep trying to get across is this:

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hem ... jdrive.htm
Driving quality as rated by the subjects contrasted with observer ratings. Alcohol impaired driving performance according to the driving instructor but subjects did not perceive it; marijuana did not impair driving performance but the subjects themselves perceived their driving performance as such. Both groups reported about the same amount of effort in accomplishing the driving test following placebo Yet only subjects in the ;marijuana group reported significantly higher levels of invested effort following the active drug. Thus, there was evidence that subjects in the marijuana group were not only aware of their intoxicated condition but were also attempting to compensate for it. These seem to be important findings. They support both the common belief that drivers become overconfident after drinking alcohol and investigators' suspicions that they become more cautious and self-critical after consuming low THC doses by smoking marijuana.

So no, weed isnt more unpredictable because you know you are not sober and that knowledge is going to affect far more people than the ones who decide three cans of stella later that they are actually perfectly sober and can drive just fine. higher doses of thc and you cant really go anywhere or do anything and therefore arnt really in a fit state to even attempt to cause an accident.

the other point is:

White Widow is not weed cut with coke, it's a breed. not even the most retarded person is going to sprinkle £50 worth of coke over a 20 bag of weed. and once again, of course your going to be able to tell if there is toad in your fuckin weed. you couldnt mix the buds with anything other than a powder or you destroy the integrity, there wouldnt be any point to mixing with anonymous powders because your weight markup wouldn't increase significantly enough to make it worth the effort plus if one dude smokes your toad weed he wont buy it again because it's more than obvious that it just aint right. placing any other solid into the equation is unfeasible too since it just doesnt look right, just because you've heard it called grass doesnt mean it looks like grass, it doesnt, it's quite unique. Some dealers try to sell wet weed to increase the weight and a few inexperienced smokers fall for this one a lot, but it still wouldnt be worth the work required to glue peices of grassy toad to a small stick. resin and hash are more open to abuse from cutting in dirty toad and for this reason you wont find any discerning stoner smoking em. the only other type of weed that's commonly known to be mixed with crap is Block, block is mass field produced variety that also commonly contains very little thc as there is no efficent way to separate male and female plants while growing and so the whole plants are harvested, cut, chopped, and mashed into trays. you also dont see this stuff very often cuz 1) it's imported and 2) it's absolute shite, and everyone knows this.

Bud isnt cut, as far as drugs go weed is about the only thing you can guarantee hasnt been mixed up with something dangerous. pub talk is never a great place for factual information, i suggest you find another source.


So 21% percent tested positive for marijuana alone, it doesnt say how many tested positive for alcohol. it also states "may" play a role because the references the site displays at the bottom when read do not confirm the answer given as the arguements main weight has been based on a single study.

i could go out an drink about 10 pints an wana throw in but 1 spliff can have the same if not worse effect on me. Oh its more likely your out at a mates an your drivin so you have a spliff to be social then drive home rather than drive to the pub with the thought of drinkin 6 or 7 pints an driving back.

i dont see what point your making here, thats more down to the person than anything else although i noticed you neglected the guy that goes rounds his mates and has a sociable couple of beers and then drives home.

[superman]

The leaf form of weed is also imported from abroad as well. an when i say mix i dont mean they glue it to the weed, if you have a toad batch of weed to cell then people will still buy it if no one else has any in the area or there is a shortage. weed is combined with coke, crack an god knows else cos they cell these types for more money ie super skunk

Q: How is marijuana used?
A: Marijuana is usually smoked as a cigarette (called a joint or a nail) or in a pipe or a bong. Recently, it has appeared in cigar wrappers called blunts, when it is often combined with another drug, such as crack cocaine.

(from the same site as previously)

I do agree with the block forms totally.

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i could go out an drink about 10 pints an wana throw in but 1 spliff can have the same if not worse effect on me. Oh its more likely your out at a mates an your drivin so you have a spliff to be social then drive home rather than drive to the pub with the thought of drinkin 6 or 7 pints an driving back.

i dont see what point your making here, thats more down to the person than anything else although i noticed you neglected the guy that goes rounds his mates and has a sociable couple of beers and then drives home.
i've already said i dont agree with driving intoxicated, and i think i missed out saying previously that you drive better stoned than you drive pissed, rather than when you drive sober.

And lastly i know you dont agree with driving intoxicated. the point im making is that 1 pint will f*** you up less than 1 spliff. if i go to my mates house i know i can have 2 pints and no matter what ill be under the legal limit to drive home but i could have half a joint an that might have the power of 5 pints on me. so if im goin to my mates an its a sesh (so i know ill drink more than 1 or 2 pints ill just take a taxi or walk. you might have a skliff more regular but you dont know how potent the stuff is in that particular skliff cos one thing i will say people want there stuff more an more potent these days. hence my equasion

1 spliff= ? Pints of beer

[Jamz]

Super Skunk is actually a purestrain variety from Sensi Seeds. If I remember correctly, it's a cross-breed of Acapulcan Gold... nah, memory has failed me, but another 3 types... Must have smoked too much of the stuff!

I haven't come across any weed laced with coke or crack myself (unless it's a recent trend), but I don't see any reason why people wouldn't do it! Maybe 'crack' is just a scare tactic to put people off the Evil Weed, though...

BUT, I have come across weed before that was lasced with LSD!

It can either be injected into the plant, or the a solution added to them in the final stages before harvest.

Not good if you're driving!