2005 ZX6R

[superman]

Iv never riden a fireblede but they sound good to me, i wouldnt class em as boring cos they are safe. well they are as safe as you ride em i suppose aint they, besides im afew years from gettin a blade yet i think thoe. so what about the new R1's then compared to the blade or the new GSXR 1000 with the option to restruct the power down to a 600 i think its a great idea in theory.

[rene]

1L bikes are fun for a while but you become lazy and rely more on going fast in the strate out of the bend rather than fast all the way though, thus the reason weekend worriers like them so much!

i own a very quick bike, i've also used blades, gixxer1000's ect and none have compired to the fun i've had on the likes of the RGV,RS250 and 400s purly because you have to work hard for the speed but when you get it right its so fast and rewarding!

nout better than flying passed some lad on a brand new R1 who you then talk to at the local pub saying "bloody hell you must have a masive engine in that bike and spent loads on tuning parts to get it that fast, i was wheel spining at 190 down the road after you"....

[Xphyral]

1L bikes are fun for a while but you become lazy and rely more on going fast in the strate out of the bend rather than fast all the way though, thus the reason weekend worriers like them so much!

thats a terrible waste of machinery

it's nice to be lazy for long journey's though.

As for smaller machines being more rewarding i dont feel that way, their fun when your getting it right but i've always found it more personally rewarding when i get it right with larger capacity bikes. Theres just that little bit of fear in your heart every time you move up a size that makes riding the nuts off it that little bit more enjoyable. i started out riding field bikes, and gradually moved up capacities, then i went down again and now i just wanna stay with big cc bikes most of the time.

The loudest exhaust crew at the local bike cafes are people to have pity on, they spend all their money on bike mods instead of the extra tuition they so sorely need. R1's are fast bikes but never where it truly counts in the hands of an eegit.

[wonderpupp]

I reckon Kawasaki's Slipper Clutch is the greatest achievement of all time.

Without it, I'd be spat off my 600 so much.

I noticed the other day, my 600 has a taller first gear than my 636 had. 86mph!?

~To quote a bike magazine -
The gearing has to be sorted to get it off the line a bit sharpish. You have to slip the clutch or rev it to pull away cleanly like a two-stroke 125.

Which is what I like

Yeah, OK, I stalled it at first, but now I'm used to revving it so much more

[rene]

a slipper clutch is genrealy miss understood to be what your explaining. The real name for the "slipper clutch" is a "back torque limiter"

Its basic perpus in life is when your down changeing from high revs insted of the back end jumping and skiding all over the place the clutch slips alowing the wheel to countinue to grip (usfull when entering a cournor at high speed).

Just re read your post and your might have ment this any way??

[Caz]

the new GSXR 1000 with the option to restruct the power down to a 600 i think its a great idea in theory.

Until you go for an overtake and forget that you dont have the full power as your running it in restricted mode.

If you want less power, buy a 600 or a 750

[Caz]

As for smaller machines being more rewarding i dont feel that way, their fun when your getting it right but i've always found it more personally rewarding when i get it right with larger capacity bikes. Theres just that little bit of fear in your heart every time you move up a size that makes riding the nuts off it that little bit more enjoyable. i started out riding field bikes, and gradually moved up capacities, then i went down again and now i just wanna stay with big cc bikes most of the time.

agree, that little bit of fear with a bigger bike just makes it that much more exiting and gives a much bigger grin when you get it right
That fear is what keeps it rubber side down for me.
One of the reasons I dont ride the ZXR any more is that it doesnt scare me, and if it doesnt scare me I push myself too much.

The loudest exhaust crew at the local bike cafes are people to have pity on, they spend all their money on bike mods instead of the extra tuition they so sorely need. R1's are fast bikes but never where it truly counts in the hands of an eegit.

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agree completely.
Anyone can go fast in a straight line.

[rene]

A 250 will scare you silly trying to keep up with the 1000's round some twists

and if you get passed them thats 1000x more rewarding than beating another 1000...

[Xphyral]

I think the power restriction for the gsxr1000 is stupid, we're gonna be plagued by more mid-life crisis sunday warriors and their power mode buttons.

theres a brilliant power restriction device already it's called a throttle hand and clutch, once you've gained the skills and experience to use em properly. just one more pub talk penis extension, thx suzuki.

[Xphyral]

A 250 will scare you silly trying to keep up with the 1000's round some twists

and if you get passed them thats 1000x more rewarding than beating another 1000...

Only if your obsessed with racing every fucker in sight. a fast rider on a 250 will just about keep up with a slowish - average rider on a litre, a fast rider on litre wouldnt even notice your headlights in his rearview mirror no matter what your sat on.

[rene]

deepends on the road really, if you had a slightly tuned 250 your looking at around 65-70 bhp, but weigh nout. You could lob that around cournors much faster than a GSXR1000 any day

Last time i did a track day at Rockingham there was a lad there on a Honda RS125 what was wopping everything out there (including race tuned R1's gixxers ect) by at least 5-6 seconds a lap

If the bike is stuipedly slow then yes you dont stand a chance but if your got a quick handeling bike that can hole a good pace you'll woop most riders, unless like you said there a good fast rider

[Xphyral]

you'd be surprised how fast a modern litre can be dropped into a corner.

i would believe an rs125 whipping race tuned r1's on a circuit that consisted only of hairpins and chicanes with no straights in between or track space to run out into on the throttle out of a bend, otherwise no, the legs on litre race machines are long and fast. either that or he was a race experienced numpty that entered himself in the novice group, which i would expect to see a distinct lack of race tuned r1's.

Too much rider ability can factored into the equation though to compare the speed of different capacity bikes well enough, my opinions are all based on the personal experience i have riding different bikes and i can get a larger capacity machine around a track faster than i can a smaller one, and so i have more fun with big CC's. The biggest thing i enjoy is the g-force tug you get hammering the bike out of the corner, the pull off a larger bike is more exciting than smaller ones.

[rene]

guess everyone enjoys diffrent parts of riding, and yes rockingham is a very tight track, the strate is short and the rest of it is pure turns (why i enjoy it so much )

[superman]

The power restriction on the GSXR is a great idea for the commuter. it has 3 settings setting A is the full power mode (somet like 180 hourses) great for a nice sunny day on a ride out setting B is restriction to like 130 hourses or somet for commuting im guessing its much easyer on the petrol so for someone who goes to work and has moterway then a roads then traffic all it one journey it works well to reduce fuel but if you need that overtake caz then when you rev past so much it reverts back to 180 hourses so you can overtake easily. then there is C mode which is another good idea in the wet as you dont really wana put 180 hourses on a wet road do you.

so thats the reason i think the restriction is a good idea. if you ride everyday it could save a penny or two.

[Xphyral]

The power restriction on the GSXR is a great idea for the commuter. it has 3 settings setting A is the full power mode (somet like 180 hourses) great for a nice sunny day on a ride out setting B is restriction to like 130 hourses or somet for commuting im guessing its much easyer on the petrol so for someone who goes to work and has moterway then a roads then traffic all it one journey it works well to reduce fuel but if you need that overtake caz then when you rev past so much it reverts back to 180 hourses so you can overtake easily. then there is C mode which is another good idea in the wet as you dont really wana put 180 hourses on a wet road do you.

so thats the reason i think the restriction is a good idea. if you ride everyday it could save a penny or two.

It's not a power remapping switch btw, it's there to retard the bike down to the same level as it's owner. So new gsxr has a retard switch, sounds much more accurate

It wont help fuel consumption very much, it's still a litre sportsbike and as for placing 180 bhp onto wet tarmac; see previous statement about having a clutch, a throttle and a brain.