Aint those Honda Civics pretty f-ing quick

[rene]

its a honda will be fine

still faster cars out there for less money

[SpaceMonkey]

i saw that civic yesterday morning, it was too wet, to even think about wanting to play, but he must of been cruising at about 120 mph plus, which leads me to say i want a civic but are they all going to be ragged ?

Rob

As Rene says they are Honda & designed to be driven hard.

As long as they are warmed up correctly & oil level checked they are pretty much bullet proof tbh.
Chain driven rather than cambelt so no worries on that side.

They are limited to 8250rpm as standard

[Rob636]

i saw that civic yesterday morning, it was too wet, to even think about wanting to play, but he must of been cruising at about 120 mph plus, which leads me to say i want a civic but are they all going to be ragged ?

Rob

As Rene says they are Honda & designed to be driven hard.

As long as they are warmed up correctly & oil level checked they are pretty much bullet proof tbh.
Chain driven rather than cambelt so no worries on that side.

They are limited to 8250rpm as standard

at those kind of revs a european car will blow up at that revage,

Rob

[rene]

will it foke, jap cars manafactors have really manged to brain wash everyone! reason why it dosent blow is because its makeing such little BHP for what the engine is! 200bhp out of a 2lt engine isent hard, theres a hole load of cars that do the same

tune a jap car to the same PRODUCTION spec of european sporty car then they'll end up have just as many problems, as well as needing the same sort of maintence. What isent alot to be fair

[Rob636]

but if there underpowered, they still make near 200bhp, but a mondeo 2ltre only makes 130 something, still a big difference, i still think the japs build slightly better engines, apperently the Honda engines are all meant to be very bullet proof engines, most seeing 150000 miles before needing any major engine maintainence,

Rob

[masterofinsanity]

i think the jap build quality is far superior to any other, my celica has done 165000 miles and still drives like new.

[rene]

you see plenty of BMW's with over 200,000 miles on the clock and they still drive fine

I had a corsa 95 with 120,000 and that still went as well as a corsa could do.

In the last 20 years reliability has gone up 200%, its just that jap cars wernt around to get the bad rep when they wernt

[SpaceMonkey]

will it foke, jap cars manafactors have really manged to brain wash everyone! reason why it dosent blow is because its makeing such little BHP for what the engine is! 200bhp out of a 2lt engine isent hard, theres a hole load of cars that do the same

tune a jap car to the same PRODUCTION spec of european sporty car then they'll end up have just as many problems, as well as needing the same sort of maintence. What isent alot to be fair

Not many N/A engines produce 100bhp per litre mate.
The UKDM EP3 makes 197bhp from the K20, the JDM EP3 makes 215bhp from a K20A.

The S2000 makes 237bhp from 2.0 litres as N/A.

Honda's have a great reputation in cars & bikes if I'm not mistaken?

[rene]

Yes they are good but not the lightyears better than everything else that there made out to be

and isnt the engine VTEC? in witch case although i admit it is NA its still got a more agressive cam profile at highter rev's changeing engining carateristics, so you could argue that its doing sort of the same job as a turbo

[SpaceMonkey]

Yes they are good but not the lightyears better than everything else that there made out to be

and isnt the engine VTEC? in witch case although i admit it is NA its still got a more agressive cam profile at highter rev's changeing engining carateristics, so you could argue that its doing sort of the same job as a turbo

I quite agree.

Alot of European Manufactures are starting to use the technology, although they seem to cater for a wider audience, hence why the engines aren't as powerful or aggressive as some of the Jap stuff.

The engine is iVTEC yes. The cam change over works purely on oil pressure. Once you hit 5,800rpm the cam changes over & is very aggressive feeling much like a turbo in power delivery, but I'm sorry. I beg to differ that it's doing the same job as a turbo. Feels similar though.
It's alot harder to tune a N/A engine than it is a F/I once imo.

I should imagine the power delivery of a VTEC engine feels much the same as a ZXR400 once you get 10K upwards in the rev range?

[billy big skid]

I've played with all sorts of cars over the years, including Ferraris and stuff like that. You will struggle in the twisties against a well driven car with decent roadholding if you are on a 400. I lost out to a full monty Mitsubushi Evo once after a battle lasting about 20 miles, i was on a ZRX 1200 that pogoed round corners like a Kangaroo on acid. We pulled over for a brew and a chat, turns out he was an off duty copper, fully pursuit trained. We were both sweating like fook and shaking from the adrenalin. Quality!

[Jamz]

I've played with all sorts of cars over the years, including Ferraris and stuff like that. You will struggle in the twisties against a well driven car with decent roadholding if you are on a 400. I lost out to a full monty Mitsubushi Evo once after a battle lasting about 20 miles, i was on a ZRX 1200 that pogoed round corners like a Kangaroo on acid. We pulled over for a brew and a chat, turns out he was an off duty copper, fully pursuit trained. We were both sweating like fook and shaking from the adrenalin. Quality!

I had something similar down the Warwick-Redditch road a few years back on a VFR750 racing an Evo VII.

He was pulling away on the corners AND on the straights! There wasn't a lot in it, but he was quicker. I suspect it was tuned, but even if it wasn't, the way he was hanging the back out around the corners and drifting made me pretty damn sure he was a racer or something similar.

I would have liked to have a chat with him at the end of that run, but we both just went our separate ways after a brief nod to each other!

[Rob636]

i tell you what, i raced a neighbour down the warwick country lanes, half way through i pulled over and waited for him cause the second half before the henley junction is abit more hardcore on the bends, so i let him past and he set the pace, oh my im impressed it was an ford xr2i and i hung and the back of him and he was constantly keeping above 90 mph, thats friggen smart for a xr2i, espesh when masters is at about 100 mph around them roads,

Rob

[wonderpupp]

Wait till a lotus exige whips around you on a corner.

I was on my 400 and it scared the living hell outta me. Was just pimping along, minding my own, running in my newly built engine. Nothing I could so about it.

Tsk. And on a corner too.

Shame on me.

[superman]

Best engines aint honda they are BMW, VW, AUDI, generally german engines are the best. eurpean engines are similar to jap engines now with all the technology crammed into them but american muscle cars are the ones to tune up cos they are just engine power so with some technology they could be quick indeed. but if the engine holds that dont mean the rest of the car will. fact is most cars now will chug on as long as they are maintained well my bro not long got rid of his 306 turbo diesel it had done 40 thosand miles but had been round the clock onece. all he did was change the belt every yr or two and general maintenance,

if i get done by a car like i did to an austin martin the other month i just think you can spend 8k on a top bike that will dk most cars but its gona cost you 70k plus an a whole load more fuel, insurance etc to beat it with a car